"Education is not preparation for life; education is life itself." John Dewey

Author: econnelly3 (Page 2 of 5)

#9

‘”There is no precedent for a document giving evidence, and I presume that the witness must be looked upon as a document.”'(134)

“The document, in the form of human parchment, would then be in the hands of the officers of the Court, and the person from whom the parchment had been removed, would also be before the Court. Could it be still maintained that the two were so identical and inseparable that the disabilities attaching to a document must necessarily attach to the person?”(135)

“When Eustace and his wife” (155)

During the first half of the novel, Augusta is a single sister and a well-known writer. She then becomes a single woman with little to no money searching for a place where she can own her work– the model of the “new woman”. Then she is a devoted and sacrificial woman who allows a man to tattoo his will on her for the benefit of someone else. All of these factors are set aside and she becomes a document and evidence. She is a scandal and a mystery worth exploiting for someone else’s profit. It is hard for the lawyers to separate the will from her as a person. They discuss skinning her and they do not even address Augusta as herself but as an inanimate object that belongs to the Court. Then there is this shift in the narrative and she can leave behind this label but becomes a wife. Something that needs protection and coverture, rather than this inconvenient legal object. Yet, when she becomes a wife she still is addressed differently. The marriage seems to no more acknowledge her loss of power than the tattoo did. She has always been dependent on something or someone for economic stability, until after she is married and he gives her back the rights to her book. To me is unclear what the purpose of this is in Haggard’s writing. I can’t imagine he is commenting on this patriarchal society that English women live in.

Is it funny that people cannot see her more than what is on the surface and presented to the outside world, especially the lawyers? What is the joke here and are we supposed to find it funny? Would women of the time have felt sorry for her or was their a different reaction?

#8

“I did; and what is more, Mr. Meeson, I think that you ought to be very much obliged to me; for I daresay that I shall often be sorry for it.” “I am very much obliged,” answered Eustace; “I had no right to expect such a thing, and, in short, I do not know what to say. I should never have thought that any woman was capable of such a sacrifice for– for a comparative stranger.” (Chapter 14, 98)

The story is supposed to be a satirical critique of society and the legal system of the time. I keep wondering what the purpose of the tattoo is. It is earlier described as “savage” by one of the sailors and Augusta calls it a “sacrifice”. An unkind and greedy man she owes nothing to has permanently altered her body. She tries to dignify the decision by claiming it will show her genuine affection for Eustace. At the end of the chapter, it is very clear that he is going to show his gratitude by proposing to her, even though he hardly knows her. She is portrayed as this “new woman” who came from nothing and has become a somewhat successful writer. Yet, she does this foolish thing that she is now ashamed of for a man she too hardly knows. She goes on to question his love for her but she also has done unimaginable things based on extreme emotions. It is clear that there is undoubtedly irony in the tattoo if it is meaningless. And there is a lot of satire about the emotions they feel for each other and how their most recent meetings come about. Augusta could live a life of fulfillment and success from her talent and those connections that it could bring her, yet, she allows men to control her decisions and her body.

What does Haggard want his readers to feel or think about the tattoo? What would people during this time think when they read about it? Are readers supposed to find joy and entertainment in their love or find it to be a joke? Is he making a comment on how unfair and patriarchal society and the law system are or are we supposed to find humanity in the misogyny?

In class discussion:

  • Exposing yourself to men
  • Purity–> damaged
  • Demeaning and loss of dignity
  • “gentle-natured devoted woman” would sacrifice
  • She has become a document for property exchange
  • “Claim”

#7

 “After my visit to the Lock Asylum, I ventured to suggest.. . a doubt whether this and kindred institutions were adapting themselves to the wants of the day. . . . I have often asked myself the question of whether it is really necessary to confine a girl from twelve to eighteen months within the walls of an asylum. How many will remain for so long a time in the institution? When they leave the seclusion which they have become accustomed to, are they better adapted than when they entered, for coping with the temptations outside?”

After reading both the Contagious Disease Act and The Lock Asylum essay, my concluding thought seems to be why they have blamed one-half of the population. They have credited only women for carrying the disease and not men. Even if they wanted to place blame on prostitution for the illness it doesn’t make medical sense to only subject women to involuntary examinations. I can’t imagine the fear and panic these women faced after being isolated in a hospital unwillingly while doctors perform tests on them, to then be moved into an asylum where they are kept for over a year and forced to do work and to stay quiet. Acton makes it a point to justify the work that they are being taught as more beneficial to society and women. But he also questions whether this will truly stop most of these women from going back to the work they were doing before. He starts his essay by saying that approximately only eight percent of the women are subjected to this life at the asylum. This statistic seems to suggest that maybe the work these women are doing seems far less shameful than being locked up like an animal for an unknown amount of time. I can understand the idea that the asylum provides women with a second chance and if they want to escape the work they are doing they are given this opportunity. But why should it be forced? Acton also makes it a point to say that society still believed “once a harlot always a harlot”, so even if these women “reform” and “repent” is it logical to assume that they will be welcomed back?

Would Ruth be penalized for her actions, since she is also referred to as a prostitute/fallen woman? Legally this seems like a possibility, but I would doubt that she would have been. She was working as an educated governess, which society would deem an acceptable job for a woman.

What are the anxieties that surround children born out of wedlock? Leonard physically becomes sick surrounding the new shame of his circumstance. Who would be responsible for the child (what rights does the father have?)? Why would Ruth not want Henry involved in the raising of Leonard?

What counts as “good cause” to assume one is a prostitute?

#6

“When he was there, a sort of constant terror of displeasing him made her voice sharp and nervous; the children knew that many a thing passed over by their mother when their father was away, was sure to be noticed by her when he was present; and noticed, too, in a cross and querulous manner, for she was so much afraid of the blame which on any occasion of their misbehaviour fell upon her. And yet she looked up to her husband with a reverence and regard, and a faithfulness of love, which his decision of character was likely to produce on a weak and anxious mind. He was a rest and a support to her, on whom she cast all her responsibilities; she was an obedient, unremonstrating wife to him” (208 Chapter 20)

Mr. Farquhar expresses many times throughout the chapters that Jemima is too “wild-hearted” for him. Ruth demonstrates all of the qualities that a good wife should have. She is kind, quiet, and obedient. Jemima sees this differently through her jealous eyes. How could Ruth be a suitable wife? She has no money, or connections, and has a child. But Mr. Farquhar likes that she seems interested in his life and thirsts for knowledge, despite all these other things. In Gaskell’s story, men have been more focused on her beauty and her kind obedience rather than what she has to offer them physically. Mr. Donne expresses that he misses the naive sweet girl she once was. He misses the girl who would have done anything for him at his beck and call with no pushback. Jemima shares her thoughts and opinions especially when they do not align with others. This quality is clearly not valued in society or in men’s lives. Her mother knows not to share her thoughts and feelings when her husband is around. He needs to feel like he has authority and power in the household.

What is the purpose of including Jemima and Mr. Farquar in the novel? Is it to show easily people can fall for Ruth? Is she trying to accentuate the idea that even though she is this “fallen” woman she is not undeserving of love? What is the response Gaskell is trying to make us have? There is a lot of empathy that is felt for Ruth and her situation. She is continuously dealt bad cards. And she prays for forgiveness and guidance often and further educates herself to leave behind this sense of ignorance. But society does not view her sins this way.


#5

Ruth: “She knew that she was beautiful; but that seemed abstract, and removed from herself. Her existence was in feeling, and thinking, and loving.

Henry: “Her beauty was all that Mr Bellingham cared for, and it was supreme. It was all he recognised of her, and he was proud of it… She pleased him more by looking so lovely than by all her tender endeavours to fall in with his varying humour.

Ruth was orphaned and has been alone for so long. I think that she longs to feel seen and loved. She doesn’t seem to necessarily value what she has to offer to someone. Or question whether they deserve her love and affection. Her beauty seems to be this thing that does not show who she really is. She is too naive to understand the power of it. Henry views her as a “new toy” and takes advantage of this beautiful girl. He takes for granted all of the things she could offer him, and is more so a prize. She is good for his reputation but fails to realize how detrimental he could be to hers.

  • How can we interpret Henry’s attitude toward Ruth? Is he a bad guy?
  • Why is Ruth’s innocence such a valuable thing?
  • Does he deserve her affection?

#4

From what I gathered the law states that if the child is legitimate and there is no concern of harm to the child then the father will be granted custody. The argument in Greenhill was that the mother would be able to show more affection to her children and the father had no connection to them. She felt they would be better off with her than he and his mother. The court ruled that because the father was abusive the law still applied and he should give full custody. They referred back to another court case The King v. Dobbyn where the father was accused of committing cruel acts and was unfaithful. In this case, the court favored the mother since the children needed to be nurtured. There were affidavits from other people to support that the father could be trusted to raise the children. On page 4 the judge reflects on the fact that the husband claims to have essentially begged his wife to forgive him and would give up his mistress if it meant that they could continue to live together. He believed that his wife would not be able to support their children. The idea of property seems to be hung over women’s heads often. They could be the most virtuous and affectionate mothers but because the law states that the father has the right to the children then all of that goes out the window. The judge in a way tries to justify the mistress and describes her as living and being loved by another women’s children. That to me is absolutely a crazy interpretation of what the situation is. According to the Custody Act if the woman was to commit adultery she could not benefit from the law, but this does not apply to men. Why is this a double standard of the 18th century?

The court wants to be able to find the best solution to preserve the welfare of the children. In Blisset’s case, it is explicitly stated that if the father is bankrupt and cannot monetarily take care of his children then the court would not put the children in his care. In the Skinner case, there is a lot of discussion about adultery and cruel treatment. These circumstances would factor into the decision being made. The courts seem to care about the child’s welfare, yet, they seem to side with the men still. Even though the father was in jail and living with another woman, the court still cannot rule where the child belongs (so it is with the father).

  • Why would a mother of an illegitimate child be preferred in custody, but not if she is married?
  • Why is a child considered an infant up until age 7?
  • Why is a third party introduced (Skinner)?
  • Paternal rights? “Best interest”?

#3

“Two years hence you will be as calm as I am now—and far, far happier, I trust, for you are a man, and free to act as you, please.”(290)

“Once I heard him pause and throw something out of the window with a passionate ejaculation; and in the morning, after they were gone, a keen-bladed clasp-knife was found on the grass plot below; a razor, likewise, was snapped in two and thrust deep into the cinders of the grate, but partially corroded by the decaying embers. So strong had been the temptation to end his miserable life, so determined his resolution to resist it.” (293)

Lowborough seems to be more saddened by his wife’s betrayal than Helen. He is in such pain that he even tries to take his own life. Death seems so far away and this pain seems like it will last forever. The perspective/lives of most of the people in the story revolve around marriage. There is nothing else more important in the world to them. They seem more consumed by their reputations and marriages than anything else. It is interesting to think about women’s power in all of this. They seem to have all of the pull up until they are married. They get to decide who is a viable suitor or who will love them the best. The men just beg to be chosen and show how masculine and protective they will be as husbands. Yet, marriage is clearly a huge commitment economically. If a woman has the chance to be “free” and live within her own wealth and ambition, why would she marry? Maybe it is because of the same she may feel being alone and “unloved”. The way Gilbert describes Jane emphasizes both of these thoughts. Because she was ambitious and had the self-respect to not settle and reject any proposals that did not seem worth it she is described as “a cold-hearted, supercilious, keenly, insidiously censorious old maid” (372).

Why did Bronte use this parallel in the story? Would the story be better if Arthur didn’t just conveniently die?

Helen says that Lowborough is a man and is free to act as he pleases. Yes, he can divorce his wife. But the shame he would feel of the failed marriage could be too much. Is love more so the enemy in this circumstance?

In-class discussion:

  • Are there different standards for infidelity between women and men?
  • Status?
  • Children?
  • What should marriage be?
  • How does the novel clear Helen’s name? And wrap up the smaller characters?
  • What can marriage now mean to Helen? (Still, a marriage plot even though marriage seems to be miserable)
  • “an old journal of mine”
  • Giving and taking property…
  • Laws, norms, and customs

#2

In chapter 16 Helen describes her experience of being courted by men and the burden of choosing the right man to marry. There are many sensible men to choose from but that does not mean they are worthy of her love. Her family doesn’t necessarily believe that she should follow her heart but more so her head. She feels that it is more important to love rather than make the act of marriage a transaction. When Boarham becomes infatuated with Helen he asks her family if he can marry her. Helen is disgusted that he didn’t consider her feelings in the matter. This experience seems to highlight the way society and men view marriage. It was less about love and more so about sensibility. Many women would be lucky to marry this man because he is “successful” and can provide for her. I think my remaining questions after this chapter were more about how he could have fallen in love with her. Are there no consequences for rejecting marriage? Men seem to carry the most power in the world and while he begs her to agree she still says no and even though he is upset nothing really comes of it. Annabella has a different vision for herself and only wants to marry for the provision that her husband can bring her and not for love. Society seems to revolve around the idea that women need a man to gain any power and to some, that means sacrificing the possibility of real love. How scary is it to know that you could marry a man who would use his power and the laws against you? If you choose love are you losing more in a bad marriage than if you married for security?

Class Discussion:

  • Progress=less external restraints (reform)
  • Property- working women (wages, land, personal)
  • What about possession? Gaining protection is essentially the loss of freedom…
  • To reform, you have to re-educate

#1

Laws Concerning Women

I think it is evident that women have suffered from over-legalization and have been treated as property. Even if the laws did not address women specifically they still fell under the restraints and control of the law. A single woman had to pay the same taxes and could own the same property as a man, but did not have the right to vote. There is a list of rules for what a woman could and could not do under marriage. Her person and everything she owned belonged to her husband, even her earnings during marriage. She no longer had control over her life and the things in it. I think that this definitely gives us a greater understanding of how a woman must have felt during a marriage, in particular, an unhappy one. She could burn down her husband’s house and still be under the control of her husband with no legal consequences. There was little to no escape. As a woman, you are trapped in a box of how you should be and your value according to society.

The idea that a wife is the property of her husband is really expressed a lot within the writing. The married couple is “one person”, yet one owns the other and one has little freedom. To me these ideas are conflicting. What does this mean?

She clearly is opposed to this “protection” and security that a man has in the marriage. I think it would be interesting to explore how other women felt within a marriage. And how pressured a man may have felt about his role within a marriage.

In-class questions to remember:

  • What positions and power could women hold?
  • Influence-social status
  • How much of a necessity is marriage?
  • Protection- what does it imply about the protector and the person in need of protection?

Reflection 10

I found that I write the way I talk in some ways. I found revising for this podcast to be easier than I thought it would be. I do think that when recording I realized there were other things I could say but the paper kept my thoughts organized and I had an outline for everything. When writing you can’t really show any tone or inflection in your voice, which I think can make it harder to convey the point or what you are trying to share. Adding questions to my revision showed me other areas that could be used to share a personal anecdote or add more explanation to what I was saying. Even though I wrote something one way does not mean that someone will understand it and it may need to be rephrased or spoken again. My interviewee found it hard to answer some of the questions, I think because she didn’t want to say the wrong thing. This is understandable but I think that it didn’t make the audio as smooth as I planned. I might not be the next big podcaster but I do like the concept of sharing ideas and thoughts with another person and then to a larger audience. I’m not the most creative person in this kind of activity, but I do think it could be something I work on. I liked being able to plan where the conversation would go and how all of the ideas connected to one another. I am not sure if that is necessarily creative or more so controlling.

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